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Q: "To what extent, how far, should Ephraim and Josef (10 Tribes) return to Judah and Judaism? What are their real obligations? What should the obligations be for Joseph or Ephraim as they are being drawn back to their true Hebraic roots and re-discovering their Israel Identity as foretold by Prophecy? Readers who are not fully acquainted with this miraculous phenomenon should acquaint themselves first with the contents of The Re-identification of the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel - also known as 'The Josephites' or 'The Ephraimites'. Trying to understand the Obligations of Joseph and Ephraim Should not the answer be quite simple? After all, which obligations of Joseph are we speaking about - his current obligations in exile, or his original obligations while he was part of the undivided House of the 12 Tribes of Israel? First of all, we must define what his original obligations were - surely none different from those which had been defined by God for all 12 Tribes? What should his obligations be while in exile? Any different? - but, for the fact that he had lost track of those obligations. In fact, he was exiled because he rejected those obligations way back in those first times as part of 12-Israel. God resultantly rejected him because he rebelled against those obligations and against Judah who was Divinely mandated with securing those obligations for posterity (Gen. 49:10, Ps.60:7) - and Judah maintained those obligations to this very day! The Ten Tribes, on the other hand, made their own System in Northern Israel, eventually ending up in total paganism! This rejection and exile though, would last for a time only - for God intended to Return them, to re-unite them with Judah and to make one nation again, bound by the same Laws, in the same Covenant! (Ezek.37:15) Should not Yoseph therefore now have to return to those same obligations which Judah (the Jews) have been maintaining throughout the centuries? In fact, is that not, after all, the Divine Purpose with getting the Ten Tribes to re-identify and Return to their original heritage - including a Return to the Land? Could Yoseph, Ephraim or the 10 Tribes return without committing themselves to these obligations? Can they live in the Land without observing these obligations? Is that not why they were exiled by God in the first place? Living in the Land and observing the Obligations are indivisible? How can there be differentiation of obligations between Judah and Yoseph/Ephraim/10-Israel? "Jacob and Israel" represent in Scripture the two bodies of Judah and the Ten Lost Tribes. Division is a curse. The two halves of Israel (headed by Judah and Joseph/Ephraim) need to be united." The Rabbis apply a different application of Law abidance for gentiles under a category which they call the "Noachite Laws" - a limited number of laws as referred to in Acts 15, when the apostles convened a conference in Jerusalem to define what the Torah obligations of Messianics were. We should be alert not to qualify the Lost Ten Tribes as 'gentiles' or 'Noahides', in order to define their obligations according to the Noachite interpretation. The Torah is emphatic, that God's entire Torah (613 laws according to Jewish interpretation) is for every person "who lives amongst the Israelites", and who wishes to serve the God of Israel (fully quoted texts 4 paragraphs further down). This is certainly true for anyone who wishes to comply with His 'System' and conform to His Covenant. And what makes these returning souls different from any other individual who ever wanted to identify with the House of Judah by conversion and who are obligated to comply with the entire Law? These re-identifying masses in the world today, are Israelites - from the original 12 Tribes. They are 'exiles' amongst the nations and as such may have integrated with those nations - but they are not gentiles - for how could they then be re-identified in the End Times if they were no longer regarded by HaShem as 'Israelites'? How can the Creator have two sets of Rules for humanity? Re-discovering one's original roots would be worthless without a return to those customs and obligations as maintained closely throughout the ages by Judah and Judaism. In exile, these 10-Israelites have been taught against the Torah by Christian teachers in the same ancient spirit of rebellion which divided the House of 12-Israel. Yet, they are today retuning to their Torah roots in droves across the world. There should be no confusion as to how far to go - all the way! Zech 8:23 "In those days ten men of nations (10-Israelites?) of every language will take a Jew by the sleeve and say, 'We want to go with you, since we have learnt that G-d is with you." Isa 56:6,7 "Foreigners who have attached themselves to HaShem, to serve Him and to love His name and be His servants - all who observe the Sabbath ... and cling to My Covenant - these I will bring to My Holy Mountain. I will make them joyful in My House of Prayer ... for My House shall be called a house of Prayer for all people" Ezek. 37:21-24 "HaShem says this, 'I am going to take the sons of Israel from the nations where they have gone. I shall gather them together from everywhere and bring them home to their own soil. I shall make them (Yoseph and Judah - v. 19) one nation on My Own Land ... they will no longer form two nations ... My Servant David will reign over them ... they will follow My Observances, respect My Laws and practise them." - no reference to a separated set of Laws for the two sections. Numbers 15:16 "There is to be one Law only (Torah achat) and one Statute for you and for the stranger who lives among you." (Also Exod. 12:49). Additional reading on this subject on this Web Site:
Current phenomenon of the re-identification of
the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel Is Judaism's Oral tradition as defined in the Talmud and the Mishnah unscriptural?
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A Web Site visitor asked:
BIBLE REVELATIONS respond: The only true and closest to perfection edition of the Bible
is the Torah - as used in Scroll form by all Jewish synagogues across the world:
- and even that has been tampered with, as Scripture
itself reveals in: This statement will be grabbed by anti-Rabbinic Messianic 'restorers' to 'prove' that the Scribes and the Pharisees (hence the Rabbis) all proclaim falsehood! But alas, if this were to be the true interpretation of this Scripture, then we would have to discard the entire Bible! Mistakes and changes may have crawled in, but be assured, that no book in the world has been so strictly preserved and secured as the Jewish Scriptures. The very 'verkramptheid' (restrictiveness) that the same Rabbis are accused of by this way of reasoning, has been the protective security of these Scriptures through the ages. These Scrolls are meticulously and laboriously handwritten and copied from certified originals and if even as much as a crack appears across a letter in the Scroll, the whole Scroll is withdrawn from usage. There is no perfect translation, because this is where the real falsifyings crawled in. Most translations have been done and are being done by non-Jews; scholars of 'strange' and certainly un-Jewish religions - in fact, scholars who are opposed to Judaism and its Rabbinic caretakers'. Can one truly expect a traditionally trained scholar in such an anti-Torah religion to translate against his/her own convictions? If that were possible, I am bold enough to emphatically claim that, then they would all have returned to Judaism, being that deeply involved in True interpretation and rendering. After all, where did today's masses of Hebraic Roots Restorers find the original Truths that they are so fast restoring? Is it not in the original true renderings of the Scriptures? Have they not found this notwithstanding the seemingly contrary claims of modern translations? Where did they find the Sacred Names which have been removed from these translations? In the Torah, which has never changed yet! But tragically, this Restoration by certain translators have never gone the full way yet. Some have restored 'YHVH' in the Tanach (OT) but refuse to restore "the ONLY Name of Salvation by which we may be saved".And then there is the Torah (Law) opposing translations, especially of the NT which in fact claim Law rejection! Then there are the Sacred Name translations which had restored the Sacred Names both in OT and NT. From such Scriptures it then screams out that YAHU'SHUAH of the NT is YHVH of the OT. And what did these wizos do in their translations? They concocted those verses which confirm this sublime Truth of the Oneness of YHVH and YAHU'SHUAH, and with their trinitarian culture and education minds and understandings they contorted key Scriptures to claim a duality of gods rather than One True God. Check Isa. 9:6 in various translations, especially Sacred Name ones - and you will see the blatant contortion! I refer specifically to the Traina version and 'The Scriptures' of Dr Koster. The latter being a marvelous Sacred Name restoration (overboard so, in fact), but he was a vehement contester of the Oneness Truth. So, where do we go and which do we read? The perfect solution would be to study Hebrew and return to the Jewish Scriptures in Hebrew! But how would we ever have arrived at the point of making such an almost impossible decision if it were not for the mis-translated versions in which and by which we found Restoration with YHVH and His Original Truth? HalleluYAH! Here in lies the Wonder of Truth and True Salvation! YHVH will redeem, draw out and away from, and Return those who truly seek, no matter how high the mounts of falsehood that covers His Jewels! So, read them all - as many translations as you can lay your hands on - but prayerfully and seekingly! Shall He give you a stone if you ask for Bread? The writer also asked: " ... do you find it acquired to use the real Name in company?" I am not sure of your question - but no, it is not a receptive or 'digestible' subject to share in company (depending on who the co. is!). Apart from being unknown to most, even religious believers, it is opposed by the contrary spirits. But it has won reception in amazing ways over the last 10 years and increasingly so. When we discovered it from a US tract in the sixties and accepted it right off, we were regarded as 'from evil outer space!' Today it is almost generally known (though not accepted, of course). We have to use it wisely, respectfully and reverently. We shouldn't throw our "pearls before the swine." You will find further comprehensive views at The writer continued: "My personal feeling is if I can get a Bible with the most true wording to the original true Word I will most definitely use and learn it." Just don't allow the lack of this to stop you from finding Truth. Read widely - the Internet is a wonder - and can be a curse also! Just as books are in general. His Spirit will secure you if you are honest and truly seeking - this is your only guarantee. Only 'rebellion' against Truth can withhold Truth from you! Be Blessed! OvadYah PS -You may want to join the Bible Revelations Forum?
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Additional references on this Web
Site The Seven Spirits of YHVH God - as mentioned in the Book of Ezekiel - what does it mean? The Message to the seven congregations - who does it apply to? Who is the 'Angel of the Lord'?
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A Forum member wrote BIBLE REVELATIONS respond: Who would ever know the true answer to this? But - how about linking the Message to the 7 congregations, the 7 candelabras in Rev 1-3 to this? (as reviewed below, in the question about 'The Ancient of Days'). The 7 Messages to the 7 congregations were given to the 7 groups of believers according to the spiritual 'assets' that would be required of them? In each of these 7 Messages there is an introductory and a final specification. Note 1 - The following 7 pointers are not my own
words, but are extracted from the actual Scripture portions - adapted, of
course, to the understanding of the Original True Faith as being Judaism - which
seems to be the Key to understanding Scripture. The 1st Character Sketch - Rev. 2:1-7 ________________________________ It seems then that the Seven Spirits of YHVH represent the seven types of believers in the world who are each guarded and guided by an 'Angel of YHVH'. As much as these seven groups condemn each other and exalt themselves, it is evident that YHVH does not (yet) condemn any group. The Divine Plea to repent and hold on, goes to each group, and in every instance, these 7 groups are encouraged by the Divine Promise that "those who prove victorious" shall overcome - nothing to fear. Each group is also reprimanded to 'Listen and hear what the Spirit has to say to them.' It is the Spirit of YHVH that leads one to the Ultimate Truth - but He forces no one. "Listen, and Hear!" What is it indeed that blinds and deafens believers to the
ultimate Truth?
NOTE on 'THE ANGEL OF YHVH'
Ex. 23:20 "I Myself (YHVH) will send an Angel before you to guard you as you go and to bring you to the Place I have prepared (This Place, in context here, refers primarily to the entry into the Promised Land, by Yoshua, after the Exodus from Egypt, and metaphorically also to the believer's entry into the Kingdom - which will also be in the Land of Israel). Give Him (the Angel) reverence and listen to all that He says. Offer Him no defiance; He would not pardon such a fault, for My Name is in Him. (Thus, a Manifestation of YHVH Himself). If you listen carefully to His Voice and do all that I say, then I shall .... (and a list of His Protection follows) You must not bow down to (the nations' ) gods or worship them. you must not do as they do. ... You are to worship YHVH your God, and I shall bless your bread and water and remove sickness from among you. " A Forum member wrote:
Can you tell me if the creatures of
Ezekiel chapter one are the same type of manifestation of the Lord like the
three Angels in Genesis 18, that appeared to Abraham? I also wonder
whether the three angels in Genesis moved and spoke in unison as did the four
creatures of Ezekiel? BIBLE REVELATIONS response: The 3 creatures of Ezek. 1 had animal-type shapes, though 'with human forms' (v.6), The vision was mingled with a glittering and moving 4 wheeled 'vehicle' type appearance. Rather than being a 'manifestation' of YHVH, these creatures and wheels represent what some interpreters refer to as 'the Chariot of YHVH' (?). Verse 26 describes the Appearance 'above' these creatures of a shining Image 'that looked like a man.' Now, the description of this Image refers clearly to a Manifestation of YHVH, and once again holds revealing confirmation of the Oneness of YAHU'SHUAH as YHVH Himself, when compared with other Scriptures - notably Dan. 7:9,10;1 0:6-19 and Rev. 1:4-19
From these 3 descriptions of the Appearances of God, it is clear that YHVH and YAHU'SHUAH have the same Appearance and description. Thus, either it describes the same God and Personage, or they look alike. This glaring Scriptural fact will however be twisted by those who deny the Oneness of YHVH / YAHU'SHUAH as "them merely looking alike", However, both the Daniel and Revelations portions of Scripture above, read in context, hold damning evidence against these pagan interpretations of the One Only True God and infallibly confirm the Oneness of His Supreme Deity, as we shall now establish.
Who does Rev. ch. 1 (our 3rd column) refer to?
Zech 12:10 applies this event to YHVH. "They shall look upon Me (YHVH speaking) Whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for Him ..." The Testimony of Rev. ch. 1 - 4 Those believers who wish to make Him subservient to a different 'Father God', and who thereby oppose the Revelation of His Oneness and Supreme Deity, will find enough 'proof' in Rev. 2 & 3 to support their understanding . The Risen Messiah, though He claims to be the First and the Last in His discourse with Yochanan, also refers in these Scriptures to "His God" - as if it is Someone else. This Mystery of His Divinity though, is revealed in our 3rd
portion referred to above - in the book of Daniel ch. 7:13 - 23. Without much further research or confirmation, most readers assume that we have here a prophecy of the Messiah taking the Kingdom Rule which the Father appoints Him, because Messiah is also referred to in Scripture as "The Son of Man." But is it truly to Him that this Scripture in the book of Daniel refers? No! And when we discover what the implication of this prophetic vision truly is, then we will also understand the Key which YAHU'SHUAH Himself gives us in the above mentioned Scriptures, which seem to point to, and which so many believers interpret as, a duality of the "Father and the Son", making "2 Gods" - which is totally an unscriptural and pagan concept, gravely insulting and dethroning the One True God! Let us read directly from the Scriptures what this vision of Daniel entailed - of the "one like the son of man coming to the Ancient of Days". Dan. 7:15 "Daniel was deeply disturbed and the vision alarmed him. (Daniel is a Jew who believes in One True God only). So I approached one of those who were standing by and asked him to tell me the Truth about all this. And in reply he revealed to me what all these things meant. ... Those (like a son of man, coming on the clouds) who are granted sovereignty, are the saints of the Most High and the Kingdom will be theirs for ever, for ever and ever!" In inquiring after the little Horn in the vision, which persecuted these overcoming saints, it is confirmed once more in verse 21,22 that it will continue "... until the coming of the One of Great Age Who gave Judgment in favour of the saints of the Most High, when the time came for the saints to take over the Kingdom." A third confirmation follows in verse 27 "And the sovereignty and kingship, and the splendours of all the kingdoms under heaven, will be given to the people of the saints of the Most High. His sovereignty (the one like unto the son of man, coming on the clouds) is an eternal sovereignty, and every empire will serve and obey him." I know that there are those who will use this information now as a confirmation of their denial of "the Messiah" Whom Scripture refers to also as "coming on the clouds." However, YAHU'SHUAH Himself gives us the answer to this fatal denial, at the same time showing why He seems to acknowledge being subservient to "His Father and His God". The answer comes clearly from the very Scriptures under review by us in this discussion, viz. Rev. 2:26 "... I will give the authority over the nations which I myself have been given by My Father, to rule them with an iron sceptre ... if anyone has ears, let them listen to what the Spirit is saying." regarding "the secret of the seven stars He is holding in His Right Hand" and to whom this Message is directed, i.e. His true followers, in the 7 congregations. (1:20). Again in Rev 3:5 "Those who prove victorious ... I shall acknowledge their names in the presence of My Father." 3:12 "Those who prove victorious, I will make into pillars in the sanctuary of My God ... I will inscribe on them the Name of My God ... and (it is also) My own New Name as well." And finally, in Rev. 3:21 "To those who prove victorious, I will allow to share My Throne, just as I was victorious Myself and took My Place with My Father on His Throne. If anyone has ears to hear, let them listen to what the Spirit is saying to the Congregation (overcomers)." There is One God only - YHVH, Creator God of Israel. YAHU'SHUAH was a Manifestation of YHVH Himself, showing us the Way, becoming 'a Son of God' as every believer is to become the 'Son of God'. As our 3 column table proves above, YAHU'SHUAH was/is YHVH as specified regarding His Appearance. He is the Ancient of Days, on the Throne which place He took 'with the Father' after having proved victorious. Similarly we shall "share His Throne with Him". Do you realise what the mind shattering implication of this 'Secret' is? I say it with great trepidation, fearing what some humans will do in accepting and applying this Revelation. We shall be like God. We shall become God! - if we truly prove victorious like He did. Messiah Himself confirmed this in John 10:33 in addressing the Jews who stoned Him for "claiming to be God." "Is it not written in your Torah 'I said you are gods? So the Torah uses the word 'gods' of those to whom the Word of God was addressed and Scripture cannot be rejected!" (End of His statement). When we search for this Scripture, we find it in Ps. 82:6
1 John 3:1,2 "Think of the Love that the Father has lavished on us by letting us be called 'children of God'. And that is what we are! Because the world has refused to acknowledge Him, therefore it does not acknowledge us. My dear people, we are already the Children of God, but what we are to be in the future, has not yet been revealed. All we know is, that when it is revealed, we shall be like Him ..." What a Calling!!!! What a Great designation to miss out on! Can God have 'children' who are not 'God' also? This emphasises the great Purpose that we should really strive for. This certainly leaves no place in the individual for pride and boasting 'to be God' - for if anyone has even half a brain, he/she should realise how far our shortcomings truly are in the light of this great Calling! May He grant us the determination to truly succeed! Blessings! Forum Moderator
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